[amishra123]

Hi guys! two things:
Firstly when you are in first and 2nd and are accelerating, then let go of the throttle why do you kinda lurch forward(is this enginebraking???) and how do you stop it/how are you supposed to deal with it??

Secondly i have had my biek for about 2 weeks now and havent really overtaken just been in the lane with the cars, but i have seen other bikers do it, all the time infact! What do you guys do??! And how should i go about it? Can you even do it very safely in a 125?!
Thanks Amishra

[airwolf21]

amishra123, on 31 July 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

Hi guys! two things:
Firstly when you are in first and 2nd and are accelerating, then let go of the throttle why do you kinda lurch forward(is this enginebraking???) and how do you stop it/how are you supposed to deal with it??

Secondly i have had my biek for about 2 weeks now and havent really overtaken just been in the lane with the cars, but i have seen other bikers do it, all the time infact! What do you guys do??! And how should i go about it? Can you even do it very safely in a 125?!
Thanks Amishra

it does sound like you are on about engine breaking i think, if you're accelerating you dont need to throttle off all the way when changing up, it takes time and practice to get your gear changes correct and you'll get it eventually. as for overtaking what sort of roads are you on about? dual carriageways? 70mpm limits? single lane roads?

[Dave737_CBR]

amishra123, on 31 July 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

Hi guys! two things:
Firstly when you are in first and 2nd and are accelerating, then let go of the throttle why do you kinda lurch forward(is this enginebraking???) and how do you stop it/how are you supposed to deal with it??

Secondly i have had my biek for about 2 weeks now and havent really overtaken just been in the lane with the cars, but i have seen other bikers do it, all the time infact! What do you guys do??! And how should i go about it? Can you even do it very safely in a 125?!
Thanks Amishra

cos of the quik de accleration.... so ya gone from around say keeping it at 8k revs and then stop doing that many its guna jolt ya like (imo... not sure about that)

i over take on my cbr about 60% of the time... ya gotta remember accelaration on these bikes isnt good atall so reli think if u wanna pass a sports car or somthing like a lorry... if u carnt pass it quick enough thier mite come a car on the opposite side of the road and then comes the brown pants lol

[Tariq]

amishra123, on 31 July 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

Hi guys! two things:
Firstly when you are in first and 2nd and are accelerating, then let go of the throttle why do you kinda lurch forward(is this enginebraking???) and how do you stop it/how are you supposed to deal with it??

Secondly i have had my biek for about 2 weeks now and havent really overtaken just been in the lane with the cars, but i have seen other bikers do it, all the time infact! What do you guys do??! And how should i go about it? Can you even do it very safely in a 125?!
Thanks Amishra

You should really get used to the bike and the power/gears. You dont want to start overtaking and realise that you thought that the bike was quicker that you thought... and then crashing :P

Sounds like you are meaning engine braking. To reduce you lurching foreward, don't just cut the throttle, just reduce the amount you're putting on slowly. Only other things to do are to keep your well oiled (engine and chain).

[andybikermito]

with regards to the overtaking side of things, ive got a 125 mito , an it overtakes quite well , nothing amazing but still i look far ahead and always pay attention to the type of driver ur gna over take cause a few times ive over took someone and they speed up (gimps) , only had one scare which was over taking a bus on a straight and didnt realise he was tailgating a car so i didnt account for the cars lenght before there was an island in the road lol.. brown pants mode.

and for gear changing i tend to use enginge breaking ( as little as it is) when coming upto corners or braking hard , but it can be done smoothly and controlled liek the others have said, just takes time

practice gear changing and engine braking to get use to those sort of things then maybe over take and old granny to practise lol,

btw im unsure if engine braking on a 125 is a good or bad thing? i know a cars engine is rather strong etc so no real harm but..on a one piston engine ? any ideas people?


andy

[amishra123]

andybikermito, on 31 July 2010 - 06:22 PM, said:

with regards to the overtaking side of things, ive got a 125 mito , an it overtakes quite well , nothing amazing but still i look far ahead and always pay attention to the type of driver ur gna over take cause a few times ive over took someone and they speed up (gimps) , only had one scare which was over taking a bus on a straight and didnt realise he was tailgating a car so i didnt account for the cars lenght before there was an island in the road lol.. brown pants mode.

and for gear changing i tend to use enginge breaking ( as little as it is) when coming upto corners or braking hard , but it can be done smoothly and controlled liek the others have said, just takes time

practice gear changing and engine braking to get use to those sort of things then maybe over take and old granny to practise lol,

btw im unsure if engine braking on a 125 is a good or bad thing? i know a cars engine is rather strong etc so no real harm but..on a one piston engine ? any ideas people?

andy

Thanks for all your replies guys, what do you mean by practice it? Just get used to it?? Sometimes i pull the clutch in when letting go of the throttle and that stops the lurching.

I mean kinda like say you are turning right from a stop. As you are turning you realise you are turning too fast so let the throttle in but then the bike kinda lurches forward!! Do i just have to get used to it! Surely other people must be experiencing the same thing??!
Thanks Amishra

[cbr_of_doom]

Sorry but do you not understand how the bike works.If your moving then suddenly take away the power (ie, Like pulling the break in fast), the bike will slow before you as the rider will. How do you prevent this? You need to slow down slowly and smoothly.

Pulling the clutch in to slow down is bad as your bike will have no power or control.

You need to practice your throttle control. There's no point closing it fast if you only want to slow a little bit. As for gear changing, you need to pull the clutch in and shut off the throttle at the same time, so you won't jerk. All nice 'n' easy when you've practised alot.

For overtaking on a single carriageway, I do filter in very slow moving traffic, on the open road I only overtake if the vehicle in front is going to slow

This post has been edited by cbr_of_doom: 01 August 2010 - 12:54 PM

[donteatpeople]

Yep, throttle control need some work. If you're lurching forward just close the throttle less. This is why it rotates instead of just having an on/off switch. Fairly common learner error, just don't try it on a big bike or you'll end up on your arse.

andybikermito, on 31 July 2010 - 06:22 PM, said:

btw im unsure if engine braking on a 125 is a good or bad thing? i know a cars engine is rather strong etc so no real harm but..on a one piston engine ?

It does no harm to the engine but it's not a good idea to rely on only engine braking alone as you wont be showing a brake light so the dipsh*t behind could run into the back of you.

Dave737_CBR, on 31 July 2010 - 04:24 PM, said:

cos of the quik de accleration.... so ya gone from around say keeping it at 8k revs and then stop doing that many its guna jolt ya like (imo... not sure about that)

i over take on my cbr about 60% of the time... ya gotta remember accelaration on these bikes isnt good atall so reli think if u wanna pass a sports car or somthing like a lorry... if u carnt pass it quick enough thier mite come a car on the opposite side of the road and then comes the brown pants lol

Your spelling makes my brain hurt. Fool.

This post has been edited by donteatpeople: 01 August 2010 - 01:30 PM

[Old Painless]

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Firstly when you are in first and 2nd and are accelerating, then let go of the throttle why do you kinda lurch forward(is this engine braking???) and how do you stop it/how are you supposed to deal with it??

That's engine braking and the natural reaction of the bike to the wind resistance and no power pushing it forwards, roll off the throttle gently and progressively and it wont do it, try pulling the clutch in sooner, but again slowly and progressively  as well to take the load off the engine. If your gentle and smooth with the controls the bike will be a smooth ride, if your harsh with the controls it will be like riding a see-saw when you change gear.

When you have selected the next gear let the clutch out until its almost engaged before putting the power on smoothly and slowly, this will stop it banging into the next gear and will help you enjoy a smooth ride.

Just practise smooth control input really, time will sort it.

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Your spelling makes my brain hurt.

lmao  :frantics:

This post has been edited by Old Painless: 01 August 2010 - 01:45 PM

[Lokheed]

amishra123, on 01 August 2010 - 08:09 AM, said:

Thanks for all your replies guys, what do you mean by practice it? Just get used to it?? Sometimes i pull the clutch in when letting go of the throttle ...

You need to play with the friction point. The throttle revs te engine but the clutch engages the transmission. They play together but are not one thing. When shifting up, you need to drop RPMs, meaning you need to turn off throttle. When shifting down, you need to reverse it, opening up the throttle till the gear changes. The key here is knowing how to match the RPMs for gear changes and then being easy on the clutch when you do it.

You need practice playing with both it seems. Ideally, you should be shifting around 7500 RPM but you can try shortshifting at around 5000 for a smoother transition. The higher you shift, the better you need to be on inputs.

When I first started riding, cars would pass me off the line. Even grannies. Now I beat even the fastest car (provided they don't have something fast and want to drag). It's all skill. The bike can do it but you need to be good.

For now, work on slow, smooth shifting. Adjust you clutch so the friction point is right at the tip and play with engaging and disengaging it. Easy on the throttle. Be smooth and then work to get quicker and quicker.

Shifting requires a lot of practice and experience. But you need to understand the fundamentals and that means knowing when to open and close the throttle and when and how to ease on and off the clutch. Remember, when shifting up, pull the clutch in, close the throttle, shift, ease up on clutch and open up the throttle. That's the system.

Pulling on the clutch is not proper riding. It may be smoother but you're no longer in gear and that's a concern. You should ever be disengaging the transmission like that unless you panic and need to stop. You might do well reading a basic motorcycle riding book to understand the principles better. It's a dangerous sport for the inexperienced. Ride safe dude!